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  • #16
    Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

    mas madali siguro ang guitars. mas madaling mag self-study sa pag play ng guitar i think... btw, anong year ka nag graduate sa UST conservatory, chopinsky? dyan nag graduate ang sister ko. piano major siya.

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    • #17
      Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

      It is better to learn the piano first. It serves a basic foundation in music.

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      • #18
        Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

        sakin kung anu yung mas gusto m sa dalawa dun ka, nasa sayu kung panu ka magbuild up ng sarili mo sa bagay na yun,like me i can play guitar and piano pareho ko silang nagustuhan

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        • #19
          Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

          for me choose one and then dun mo ilagay ang focus mo.. para mayroon kang forte sa music instruments then after mo nalang pag-aralan ung ibang instruments.... you shouldnt be "the jack of all trades and master of none"...

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          • #20
            Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

            kung ako ang tatanungin??

            nagsimula ako sa piano... notes na ang binabasa ko nung nag-start ako... tapos a few years later sinimulan ko na rin ang pag-aaral sa chords nung natuto na ako, a few months pa natuto na rin akong mag-aral ng guitar kasi madali kong naii-associate yung chords ng piano sa guitar.

            pero sa lahat-lahat ng instruments na natugtog ko... piano pa rin ang first love ko... mas siya ang favored ko among all instruments na na-play ko na... saka dun ako mas madaling natuto e... siguro kung inuna ko yung guitar mas mahihirapan akong intindihin ang chords...

            tip ko sa mga baguhan sa pagpa-play ng mga instruments esp piano... magsimula kayo sa note reading rather than chord agad... napapansin ko kasi karamihan sa mga music or piano teachers ngayon esp dito sa amin, na ang itinuturo nila agad sa mga beginners ay chords at hindi note reading sa left hand... nakakaawa tuloy ang mga students nila kasi feeling ko pag tumagal at nasanay sila sa chords parang beginners pa rin sila kung magplay forever...

            well, kasi ganito, may tinuruan ako dati na mga employees ng Honda sa pasig. ummm... that is for their choral competition between their different branches... e, may isa silang pianist. nung pinaplay ko yung piece ng Noche Buena nagulat siya kasi bakit daw walang chords?? sabi ko "bakit?? hindi ka ba marunong magbasa ng notes??" sabi niya marunong daw kaso sa right hand lang kasi nung bata daw siya chords daw ang itinuro sa kanya ng piano teacher niya.... ayun, kakalungkot :( naisip ko nasayang ang binayaran niya sa teacher na yun :rage:

            well, yun lang ang tip ko... GOOD LUCK!!!
            "Stabat Mater dolorosa juxta Crucem lacrimosa dum pendebat Filius"

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            • #21
              Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

              sa piano nag umpisa at mananatiling sa piano

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              • #22
                Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                kuya coroangelicus15 may question po me senyo...

                panu po kau nkakatugtog ng piano without looking dun mismo sa piano (sanayan lang ba?)

                mrunong ako mgbasa ng notes, noth sa g clef at f clef... ung nga lng... di ko napagsasabay ung tingin sa dalawang staff... kaya ang nangyayari, nakakabisado k lng ung piyesa at hindi ko siya natutugtog ng unang tingin lang...

                pa help aman po... ung sa left nga po medyo nahihirapan ako, khit marunong me magbasa dun sa bass clef...

                kasi pag napatingin ako sa treble, di ko na napapansin ung dalawa...

                pag tinignan ko silang dalawa, di ko rin mgawa... di ko po sila mapgsabay...

                panu po un? ang tgal ko ng nag aral ng music theories at sight reading pero pgdating sa piano di ko mgawa... (sa pagkanta, khit papaano ngagawa ko)

                haayy... kuya, pa help ako....
                "Courage is easy; dedication costs extra"

                -tree of wisdom
                PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES

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                • #23
                  Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                  Originally posted by deathkill00008 View Post
                  kuya coroangelicus15 may question po me senyo...

                  panu po kau nkakatugtog ng piano without looking dun mismo sa piano (sanayan lang ba?)

                  mrunong ako mgbasa ng notes, noth sa g clef at f clef... ung nga lng... di ko napagsasabay ung tingin sa dalawang staff... kaya ang nangyayari, nakakabisado k lng ung piyesa at hindi ko siya natutugtog ng unang tingin lang...

                  pa help aman po... ung sa left nga po medyo nahihirapan ako, khit marunong me magbasa dun sa bass clef...

                  kasi pag napatingin ako sa treble, di ko na napapansin ung dalawa...

                  pag tinignan ko silang dalawa, di ko rin mgawa... di ko po sila mapgsabay...

                  panu po un? ang tgal ko ng nag aral ng music theories at sight reading pero pgdating sa piano di ko mgawa... (sa pagkanta, khit papaano ngagawa ko)

                  haayy... kuya, pa help ako....
                  May I ask you how long did it take you to learn each of these?
                  We have little to no culture of healthy polemics in the country, as any attempt to consider fault is taken as a personal attack. Rare are those that are able to deal with it properly. --- Alex Tioseco (1981-2009), critic

                  DISSENT IS LIBERATION; NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT DISSENT
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                  • #24
                    Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                    Originally posted by deathkill00008 View Post
                    kuya coroangelicus15 may question po me senyo...

                    panu po kau nkakatugtog ng piano without looking dun mismo sa piano (sanayan lang ba?)

                    ... ... ...
                    ...pag tinignan ko silang dalawa, di ko rin mgawa... di ko po sila mapgsabay...

                    panu po un? ang tgal ko ng nag aral ng music theories at sight reading pero pgdating sa piano di ko mgawa... (sa pagkanta, khit papaano ngagawa ko)

                    haayy... kuya, pa help ako....
                    at first, talagang mahirap pagsabayin ang dalawang kamay sa pagtugtog ng piano lalo pa't kailangan mo sabay na mabasa ang grand scale. kung nag-uumpisa ka, talagang hindi mo makukuha na matugtog ang isang piyesa sa unang tingin lang dahil ang hindi mo pa nadedevelop sa sarili mo yung hand and eye coordination. Isa pang dahilan nito ay ang pagiging anxious mo sa sarili kung tama ba ang mga tiklado na tinitipa mo.

                    Isa sa dapat mong gawin ay (1)Basahin ang notasyon, alamin ang mga 'accidentals' nito kung meron man. Alamin mo kung nasa anong iskala siya at tandaan mo kung anong nota ang apektado ng mga 'accidentals'. Ang 'accidentals' ay ang mga sharps o flats sa notasyon. (2)Tugtugin ang piyesa sa mabagal na paraan para masiguro mong tama ang tinitipa mong mga tiklado. Tandaan mo na ang paraan ng pagtugtog ay hindi sa pabilisan. Nangangailangan talaga ito ng hinahon at pasensya. Ang talento ay hinuhubog sa matagal na panahon hindi ito basta nakukuha lang o ibinibigay.

                    Huwag mong masyadong ituon ang sarili mo sa pagtingin sa tiklado ng piyano. Mas maganda kung maisasabay mo ito ng tingin sa notasyon sa ganung paraan nalalaman mo kung nasa tama ba ang pagbaybay mo sa notasyon o hindi na. Marami kasing mag-aaral ang tinutuon ang sarili sa pagtingin sa kanilang mga daliri o kamay habang tinitipa ang piyano. Ang nagiging resulta nito ay ang maling pagtugtog na hindi nila namamalayan sapagka't sila ay nakatuon sa piano at hindi sa piyesa.

                    Matanong ko lang, kabisado mo na ba ang mga nota sa Treble Clef (G-clef) at Bass Clef (F-clef)? Kung magkagayon na kabisado mo na siya, hindi ka na dapat na mahirapan pa nang lubos sa pagbasa ng nota dahil kabisado mo na. Ang kailangan mo na lang pagtuonan ay ang 'independency' ng mga daliri mo. Mas makabubuti kung susubukan mo nang pag-aralan ang mga piano exercises tulad ng Hanon.

                    Iyan lang muna ang maipapayo ko. Basta wag kang magsasawa na mag aral ng keyboard (Piano man ito o Organ).

                    Lagi mo na lang iisipin ito:
                    "Ang talento ay hinuhubog ng panahon."

                    coroangelicus15
                    "Stabat Mater dolorosa juxta Crucem lacrimosa dum pendebat Filius"

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                    • #25
                      Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                      Originally posted by coroangelicus15 View Post
                      at first, talagang mahirap pagsabayin ang dalawang kamay sa pagtugtog ng piano lalo pa't kailangan mo sabay na mabasa ang grand scale. kung nag-uumpisa ka, talagang hindi mo makukuha na matugtog ang isang piyesa sa unang tingin lang dahil ang hindi mo pa nadedevelop sa sarili mo yung hand and eye coordination. Isa pang dahilan nito ay ang pagiging anxious mo sa sarili kung tama ba ang mga tiklado na tinitipa mo.

                      Isa sa dapat mong gawin ay (1)Basahin ang notasyon, alamin ang mga 'accidentals' nito kung meron man. Alamin mo kung nasa anong iskala siya at tandaan mo kung anong nota ang apektado ng mga 'accidentals'. Ang 'accidentals' ay ang mga sharps o flats sa notasyon. (2)Tugtugin ang piyesa sa mabagal na paraan para masiguro mong tama ang tinitipa mong mga tiklado. Tandaan mo na ang paraan ng pagtugtog ay hindi sa pabilisan. Nangangailangan talaga ito ng hinahon at pasensya. Ang talento ay hinuhubog sa matagal na panahon hindi ito basta nakukuha lang o ibinibigay.

                      Huwag mong masyadong ituon ang sarili mo sa pagtingin sa tiklado ng piyano. Mas maganda kung maisasabay mo ito ng tingin sa notasyon sa ganung paraan nalalaman mo kung nasa tama ba ang pagbaybay mo sa notasyon o hindi na. Marami kasing mag-aaral ang tinutuon ang sarili sa pagtingin sa kanilang mga daliri o kamay habang tinitipa ang piyano. Ang nagiging resulta nito ay ang maling pagtugtog na hindi nila namamalayan sapagka't sila ay nakatuon sa piano at hindi sa piyesa.

                      Matanong ko lang, kabisado mo na ba ang mga nota sa Treble Clef (G-clef) at Bass Clef (F-clef)? Kung magkagayon na kabisado mo na siya, hindi ka na dapat na mahirapan pa nang lubos sa pagbasa ng nota dahil kabisado mo na. Ang kailangan mo na lang pagtuonan ay ang 'independency' ng mga daliri mo. Mas makabubuti kung susubukan mo nang pag-aralan ang mga piano exercises tulad ng Hanon.

                      Iyan lang muna ang maipapayo ko. Basta wag kang magsasawa na mag aral ng keyboard (Piano man ito o Organ).

                      Lagi mo na lang iisipin ito:
                      "Ang talento ay hinuhubog ng panahon."

                      coroangelicus15
                      Follow-up ko lang. This is one reason why I insist that people should study their scales, arpeggios and basic chords well. One purpose for studying scales is that practicing these help your fingers be familiar with the contours of the keyboard---and, more importantly, on coordinating the written note with what's on the keyboard. Since you're just trying to familiarize yourself...try studying the hands separately first, then together. If you have to, write some notes on the score using pencil (but don't forget to erase these notes once you've fully memorized the parts so that you won't be dependent on your annotations).

                      The ability to play both the treble and bass clefs together by just reading from the score the first time is a skill that can be developed, but it also depends on how difficult the piece is. Obviously, unless your name is Franz Liszt, you can't sight-read a piece that is written specifically for professional pianists if you still have to develop that skill. And take heart, some musicians also take time to learn a piece the first time they see it, so you're not alone. I'd recommend you first try practicing on easy pieces by Mozart (try anything that doesn't have sixteenth notes on it at first), Beethoven (try "Fur Elise") and Bach (try "Minuet in G").

                      In general, try something that gives you enough time to absorb the written note and instantly press the right keys on the keyboard. Once you've gained confidence, you can up the level and try something more complex. And if you're learning a piece for the first time, don't rush, try it slow first.

                      I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I'll say it again for completion. Try getting one of those Michael Aaron piano method books that are available on National Bookstore (or any similar method books), or borrow one if your friends have it. Get the lowest level first (i.e. "Grade One"). These will usually have two-hand pieces that use mostly whole notes, half notes, quarter notes and eight notes---and, mind you, in moderate to slow tempi.

                      This may sound a bit depressing, but given the little information that you've provided, you can give yourself at least one full year to be able to pick up sight-playing the grand staff (treble+bass clefs). If you're willing to commit, say, 30 minutes to an hour a day everyday just to practice sightreading, so much the better for you

                      One more tip: try getting the ubiquitous Dannhauser solfeggio book (Book 1), it also has some chapters on reading the bass clef
                      We have little to no culture of healthy polemics in the country, as any attempt to consider fault is taken as a personal attack. Rare are those that are able to deal with it properly. --- Alex Tioseco (1981-2009), critic

                      DISSENT IS LIBERATION; NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT DISSENT
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                      • #26
                        Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                        thanks po kuya coroangelicus at kuya pao... marami akong natutunan sa inyo....
                        Tama rin siguro ung sinabi niyo na kelangan ng confidence...
                        at tama po kau, babagalan ko ang pagtugtog...

                        (kuya pao, naiinis po ako sa sarili ko kasi ung fur elise, imbis na mtugtog using sheets, e nkabisado ko na... kaya pag tinutugtog ko iyun, di ko na tinutuloy ung pagbabasa ng piyesa, paano ba nmn kasi, nakakabisado ko lang un.)

                        Kuya coroangelicus, pamilayar po ako dun sa mga accidentals sharps, flats, double sharps, double flats at ung natural sign... Pati na rin po ung Major and minor scales, nakaktugtog na rin po ako.

                        ung problema ko lang po siguro ay ung sinasabi ninyong koordinasyon sa pagitan ng mga mata at kamay... un po ang lubusan kong ipapraktis.

                        try ko rin pong ung sinabi ni kuya pao na babagalan ko lang ung pagtugtog, try ko nang di tumingin sa keyboard pag tutugtog...

                        tataasan ko na ung confidence level ko!!

                        pa praktisin ko po ung piyesa ni beethoven ung russian folk song, nkuha ko sa www.pianostreet.com sabi kasi dun, pang level one daw un...

                        (ung hanon exercise, alam ko na po rin un... start muna ako sa C major Scale pa punta sa mhirap na scale...


                        Thanks po talgah sa mga advice ninyo... sasabihin ko po sa inyo kung may naimprove sa skills ko...

                        (kuya pao, mga isa't kalahating taon na akong nag aaral ng theories, pero honestly, di ko pa alam lahat, lalu na ung ga mhihirap na terms... tlagang basic lang... Scales, Performance Marks (o di kaya, Metronome Marks), dynamics, staffs (Treble and bass), ung alto, mezzo soprano, soprano, baritone at tenor clef, di ako gaanong pamilyar.. pati dun sa french violin clef... haayyy... accidentals... symbols... at alam ko pong mrami pa akong kelangan matutunan.)


                        Thanks po sa inyo
                        "Courage is easy; dedication costs extra"

                        -tree of wisdom
                        PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES

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                        • #27
                          Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                          Originally posted by deathkill00008 View Post
                          ung alto, mezzo soprano, soprano, baritone at tenor clef, di ako gaanong pamilyar.. pati dun sa french violin clef...
                          Well, I don't think you'd even need to learn C clefs (tenor, alto, soprano and the other, lesser-known variants) unless:

                          1. you're playing the viola, cello, double bass, trombone, French horn, bassoon, or clarinet, among others; or
                          2. you're considering conducting an orchestra, in which case knowledge of C-clefs is mandatory (because some parts do use C-clefs---and the thing is, conductors should ideally be able to read not just two staves together but even more, perhaps up to two dozen stavesat the same time!); or
                          3. you are considering arranging/orchestrating/composing for orchestra and, naturally, you'll have to use instruments that use the C-clefs (see #1, above)---in which case, you must also be familiar not just with the piano, strings or voices, but with a dozen other instruments at the same time; or
                          4. you're considering taking up advanced J. S. Bach studies, or studying really old pieces (i.e. pre-20th century music) for an academic study or report; or
                          5. you're planning to use urtext editions (i.e. unedited editions, as the composers wrote the pieces), meaning the composers originally wrote some parts using C-clefs (modern-day editors tend to rewrite C-clef parts into the corresponding notation in the treble or bass clef); or
                          6. you are considering training as a serious professional countertenor (male alto)---many of the pieces in the standard countertenor repertoire are written in the alto clef.

                          So for me, a basic knowledge of the treble (G) and bass (F) clefs is enough. Knowing how to read and write in the C clefs, at least in the alto clef (and even write the correct accidentals for the C-clefs...those in the know, please raise your right hand now! LOL ) is a good thing to have, but I won't consider it mandatory.

                          So...save the C clefs for later, you can live without it
                          We have little to no culture of healthy polemics in the country, as any attempt to consider fault is taken as a personal attack. Rare are those that are able to deal with it properly. --- Alex Tioseco (1981-2009), critic

                          DISSENT IS LIBERATION; NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT DISSENT
                          CRITICISM IS DISCOURSE, DIALECTIC AND EDUCATION

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                          • #28
                            Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                            Since sobrang gasgas na ang "Fur Elise" for beginners (I know some people who can fake their way into it and who have never even read the real sheet music), here are additional material to challenge yourself (I mentioned some of these elsewhere):

                            - Any Mozart piece that he composed when he was just a kid. Their opus numbers or "K" numbers are usually single-digits ("K" stands for Kochel, the scholar who catalogued Mozart's works). Try K.1 to K.5. (I have a book of Mozart pieces for beginners, but these are from a real book, so I might need to renotate them in case anyone wants to try out these pieces.)

                            - Karl Czerny's Practical Exercises for Beginners, Book 1 (Opus 599). Strongly recommended for beginning pianists and for intermediate pianists (in the case of Book 2).

                            - The Anna Magdalena Notebook by J. S. Bach. Slightly difficult because the left and right hands rarely move together (your left hand should have a mind of its own and shouldn't care about the right hand), so I'd advise to save this for last. As suggested earlier, learn pieces from this book with hands separate, and s l o w l y

                            Once you think you're already confident sight-reading easy pieces, try sight-reading the slow movements (or even the fast ones!) from Clementi's famous (or notorious?) Sonatinas (Opus 36). Clementi's sonatinas are standard pieces for the beginning pianist, so reward yourself by mastering all the pieces in this collection (there are six sonatinas in this collection) Trust me, Clementi's sonatinas are not that hard

                            Also: Don't overdo Hanon exercises. Once you've mastered each exercise, try doing just one or two passes for each exercise before moving to the next one. Spend no more than an hour, thirty minutes if possible, for the Hanon exercises. Don't play these too loud (or, put in another way, don't exert too much force). If overdone, Hanon exercises might do more harm than good and will make you a likely candidate for RSI (repetitive strain injury).
                            We have little to no culture of healthy polemics in the country, as any attempt to consider fault is taken as a personal attack. Rare are those that are able to deal with it properly. --- Alex Tioseco (1981-2009), critic

                            DISSENT IS LIBERATION; NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT DISSENT
                            CRITICISM IS DISCOURSE, DIALECTIC AND EDUCATION

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                            • #29
                              Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                              w0w thanks kuya pao sa mga additional info... hehehe ^_^ marami din ako natutunan...

                              thanks and god bless

                              coroangelicus15
                              "Stabat Mater dolorosa juxta Crucem lacrimosa dum pendebat Filius"

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                              • #30
                                Re: Guitar Playing or Piano Note Playing?

                                thanks ulet kuya pao...!

                                i will try yung cnsabi mong piyesa composed by mozart nung bata pa siya..
                                (hahaha pati twinkle twinkle!!! hahaha)

                                ung suites ni bach try ko po rin pag aralan... (prang ang hirap nun... nkita ko na ung isang piyesa dun e )

                                haha... kinder na ako sa music!

                                thanks po ulet kuya pao... try kong tumingin ng mga sinabi niyong sheets pra map prectice ko rin...

                                thanks po ulet!

                                God bless you all!!
                                "Courage is easy; dedication costs extra"

                                -tree of wisdom
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